Comments on: Big Business and the Semantic Web http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/ Closed weekends and holidays. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:39:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Shawn Hyde http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13147 Shawn Hyde Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:40 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13147 Perhaps the search engines should start allowing people to rate links based on accuracy to what they typed in, then again you would have people paying people off to go around and rate sites. If only people were honest. Decent article, thanks. Perhaps the search engines should start allowing people to rate links based on accuracy to what they typed in, then again you would have people paying people off to go around and rate sites. If only people were honest. Decent article, thanks.

]]> By: O_Onl http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13033 O_Onl Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:38:36 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13033 An attempt at providing domain-specific / ontology-rooted searches: <a href="http://ontologyonline.org" title="ontology browsing" rel="nofollow">Ontology Online</a>. An attempt at providing domain-specific / ontology-rooted searches: Ontology Online.

]]> By: Andrew Matthews http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13017 Andrew Matthews Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:21:54 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13017 Hi James, See my response to Kaila. It's not wealth or skills that either company lacks - it's expertise in the domains to be modeled. I'd have thought that OpenCyc would be a better bet for general purpose ontologies than Google, but if you've looked at that you'd see that it is a birds nest of concepts that would never become popular for simple data modeling... Andrew Hi James,

See my response to Kaila.

It’s not wealth or skills that either company lacks - it’s expertise in the domains to be modeled. I’d have thought that OpenCyc would be a better bet for general purpose ontologies than Google, but if you’ve looked at that you’d see that it is a birds nest of concepts that would never become popular for simple data modeling…

Andrew

]]> By: Andrew Matthews http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13016 Andrew Matthews Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:19:18 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13016 Hi Kaila, Although I can't be specific, the 'we aren't interested and neither is google' came from a highly placed individual within MS. So it's not just based on their past lack of interest! Globally coordinated and unanimously agreed upon ontologies are a pipe dream that will founder in just the same way as early efforts at common business EDI and B2B messaging formats that came about after the advent of XML. No consensus is likely. Hence why I thought of a crowd-sourced model. I also think that some easily comprehensible foundation of an upper ontology would be needed. I suppose for that to be adhered to, there will definitely need to be more sophisticated and dedicated tools support for the production of compatible domain models. Andrew Hi Kaila,

Although I can’t be specific, the ‘we aren’t interested and neither is google’ came from a highly placed individual within MS. So it’s not just based on their past lack of interest!

Globally coordinated and unanimously agreed upon ontologies are a pipe dream that will founder in just the same way as early efforts at common business EDI and B2B messaging formats that came about after the advent of XML. No consensus is likely. Hence why I thought of a crowd-sourced model. I also think that some easily comprehensible foundation of an upper ontology would be needed. I suppose for that to be adhered to, there will definitely need to be more sophisticated and dedicated tools support for the production of compatible domain models.

Andrew

]]> By: Andrew Matthews http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13015 Andrew Matthews Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:12:09 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-13015 Hi Charles, prophetic? I certainly hope so. There is much room for improvement in the search space, and any advances there will either boost or be founded on general improvements in semantic content on the web. I shall certainly be taking a keen interest in what you have to say, and in hearing more about advances in this space. Andrew Hi Charles,

prophetic? I certainly hope so. There is much room for improvement in the search space, and any advances there will either boost or be founded on general improvements in semantic content on the web. I shall certainly be taking a keen interest in what you have to say, and in hearing more about advances in this space.

Andrew

]]> By: James http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12929 James Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:52:33 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12929 Interesting thoughts! I am of the personal belief that Microsoft may not play a big part in the Semantic Web. It just doesn't seem like their style. Google I have hope for. They are working on some neat things right now, specifically their Programmable Search Engine technology and the new knowledge base they are working on. Truth be told I don't think either company is going to be the leader in Semantic Web technology unless they start hiring up the people close to the bleeding edge of its development AND become serious about it. Interesting thoughts! I am of the personal belief that Microsoft may not play a big part in the Semantic Web. It just doesn’t seem like their style. Google I have hope for. They are working on some neat things right now, specifically their Programmable Search Engine technology and the new knowledge base they are working on. Truth be told I don’t think either company is going to be the leader in Semantic Web technology unless they start hiring up the people close to the bleeding edge of its development AND become serious about it.

]]> By: Kaila Colbin http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12922 Kaila Colbin Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:25:42 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12922 Hi there, What an intriguing post! I agree with much of it and I'll challenge you on some of it. Surely if anyone has skills, time and money it's Google and Microsoft. Could it be that incentive is what's missing? Right now there's no semantic option to challenge what they're doing, and if the entire web becomes semanticized (just made that word up), then the big boys will be in just as good a position as anyone to adapt to the new framework. I love Wikipedia and I'm a huge fan, but just this morning I put up a post on some of the <a href="http://blog.vortexdna.com/check-your-wikisources/" rel="nofollow">challenges of crowd-sourced content</a>. Your idea of the confederation of small search engines is a great one. <a href="http://altsearchengines.com/2007/07/29/federated-search-an-alternative-definition/" rel="nofollow">Charles Knight at AltSearchEngines</a> is proposing something similar. I think what will make the difference is for the <a href="http://blog.vortexdna.com/solve-for-semantics-at-the-search-engine-level/"search engines themselves to become more semantically aware. Perhaps a universally implemented semantic framework is a possibility in the future, but the challenges associated with implementing it consistently and getting everyone to agree to use it are not inconsiderable. Hmm... not sure if any of that made sense! But I'll be keen to hear your thoughts. Hi there,

What an intriguing post! I agree with much of it and I’ll challenge you on some of it.

Surely if anyone has skills, time and money it’s Google and Microsoft. Could it be that incentive is what’s missing?

Right now there’s no semantic option to challenge what they’re doing, and if the entire web becomes semanticized (just made that word up), then the big boys will be in just as good a position as anyone to adapt to the new framework.

I love Wikipedia and I’m a huge fan, but just this morning I put up a post on some of the challenges of crowd-sourced content.

Your idea of the confederation of small search engines is a great one. Charles Knight at AltSearchEngines is proposing something similar.

I think what will make the difference is for the <a href=”http://blog.vortexdna.com/solve-for-semantics-at-the-search-engine-level/”search engines themselves to become more semantically aware. Perhaps a universally implemented semantic framework is a possibility in the future, but the challenges associated with implementing it consistently and getting everyone to agree to use it are not inconsiderable.

Hmm… not sure if any of that made sense! But I’ll be keen to hear your thoughts.

]]> By: Charles Knight http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12884 Charles Knight Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:09:52 +0000 http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/big-business-and-the-semantic-web/#comment-12884 "If the semantic web is to get much of a toehold in the world of search engines it is going to have to be as a confederation of small search engines..." Those are prophetic words, and you are one of the few people who are looking into the future of Search in the right direction! At AltSearchEngines, we are applying that same logic to the alternative search engines that have been unable to mount a serious challenge to the "Big 5" major search engines *because* they have been acting individually and not corporately. I invite you and your readers to come visit www.AltSearchEngines.com; the brand new blog from Read/WriteWeb! Charles Knight, editor AltSearchEngines.com “If the semantic web is to get much of a toehold in the world of search engines it is going to have to be as a confederation of small search engines…”

Those are prophetic words, and you are one of the few people who are looking into the future of Search in the right direction!

At AltSearchEngines, we are applying that same logic to the alternative search engines that have been unable to mount a serious challenge to the “Big 5″ major search engines *because* they have been acting individually and not corporately.

I invite you and your readers to come visit http://www.AltSearchEngines.com; the brand new blog from Read/WriteWeb!

Charles Knight, editor
AltSearchEngines.com

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